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It is more fun than serious at this point. Don't overthink it :)

It is still going to be better at text work, skills, document review, deep reasoning, architecture review, etc. It is only 6 months old, it isn’t like its world knowledge and software knowledge is really out of date. Use it to churn on harder design problems.

Inefficiency is their business model. They just soak $$ into their system. More overall revenue even if most of it is some rube goldberg machine of apathy.

Models are like programming, language languages. You don’t need to follow them. If you don’t do video stuff don’t worry about it. You could probably digest mode every month or two and be just fine.

Not really. 2 years ago that was a pretty normal amount of GPU hardware for a hacker or gamer. It's all relative. They are not accessible to most people yet, but for someone that cares and is a technologist? Likely accessible.

AI / LLM is about more than agentic coding. It is one of the least interesting use cases to me, thinking more broadly. HN may be over-indexed on it.

I would agree with you on AI/LLM being more than agentic coding but at the same time, I think there's more nuance.

For example, PDF's and powerpoints can be generated using agentic coding by things like https://bento.page or other ways of generating them in an agentic coding fashion.

A lot of browser automation could/is also done by agentic coding.

It can also help them set up and configure self hosted software with the help of LLM's and debugging if its working or not.

You can create videos using Manim and remotion.dev and also excalidraw-animate and generate excalidraw files agentically if what you need is more vector style graphics (which surprisingly can fit into many ideas) rather than say a real life human waving video/more photo-realistic video (but I must say that this has certainly its own pros/use-cases as well).

It might sound self-explainatory but turns out that coding can represent a wide range of problems!


I get that. I use agents a lot and LLMs often reason with code. It is valuable. I just think the floor is a lot lower for general reasoning and common tasks like that. And in 6-12 months it won’t matter. Google will publish better models. The temporal distortion of how long a Sol or a Fable has existed is real. No one is suddenly missing out on some giant competitive edge because their model is a few months behind. I feel like it’s all just going to normalize and things other than how well your model can write code will matter more and more in 12 to 24 months.

Sure I understand what you mean as well and I am not asking for SoTA models to be created by Google but more so explaining why coding is still the largest focus for many labs.

I personally wish to get more smaller models (like the recent qwen model) and other open source models like GLM 5.3 and the glm flash model.

> No one is suddenly missing out on some giant competitive edge because their model is a few months behind

Sure I can agree with that. The competitive edge might still exist but I do get the underlying sense of what you are trying to suggest.

> things other than how well your model can write code will matter more and more in 12 to 24 months.

What are the things then which you feel like could be more differentiative factor? For example, I personally think multi modal is still quite preferrable in AI models. I use GLM 5.2 and it doesn't have vision and I can certainly imagine time/use-cases where multi-modality would've helped coding and even other use cases as well. So what are some other use cases that you are thinking? Video generation models like Veo/Sora?


/me points over at Flash 3.8 :)

I work there. I have zero internal knowledge about the model. Opinion my own, etc. I don't think it is worth fighting to win on a month to month time horizon. When you step back and look an inch above this market, Gemini Pro 3.1 as a product was released in February. 6 months. It feels like forever and that Google is behind, but on a 2-3 year horizon? The models are going to stay similar.

Also, look at Flash 3.5 to 3.7. Flash 3.7 is a genuinely decent Sonnet 5 class model. Flash 3.7 is quite efficient too. Also, whatever was spent training 3.5 pro is probably not wasted. However, as a strategy, when I see models like Kimi K3, Fable, Sol. If you discard "because the model sucked" what other alternatives or potential options might exist?

I thought of a quite a few and they are far more compelling and interesting to me.

(Also Gemini models tend to be pretty decent at more than just programming. Enterprise AI use is more than just software eng / programming)


I'm the CTO of a GCP shop with an 8 figure annual commit.

If you'd told me at the end of Cloud Next 2025 that by now Google still wouldn't have a competitive offering to agentic coding offerings from Anthropic (Claude Code + Fable) or OpenAI (Codex + Sol), I wouldn't have believed you.

In our non-coding use cases where we're embedding models in our product, we're also not reaching for GCP stuff. Because Anthropic has the mindshare of our engineers and product folks, since it's what they use every day.


Given your position and the responsibility that comes with it; I sure hope you updated your mental model in another way than simply "they are acting irrational"... It's not clear from your comment that you did, but it sounded a bit like it.

I only like talking to Opus 4.6 in its default form. I have some pretty aggressive prompting strategies ensuring my language guidance rules are front and center and it really helps with Opus 4.8+, something went wrong with those models.

Also, OMP has a solid subagent model and I like it with some tweaking.


Use Muse Glimmer. It’s good.

There is evidence that some forms of ADHD are effectively just the brain falling asleep rapidly and then waking up. This form cam be attenuated with norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor alone. Presents with ADHD like symptoms. But it’s a new thing most likely. Called “Cognitive Disengagement Syndrome”.


For the record, since I am on a mix of concerta and effexor, effexor alone does nothing to alleviate my symptoms (at the 150mg dosage). Although for me the adhd medication is no problem. It is actually effexor that torments me, because I have extreme withdrawal symptoms if I go even one day without it.


Effector is for dépression not ADHD. Do you get brain zap when you miss a dose ? Other medications don't have this problem, at least for many of not most people


Right, the reason I am mentioning effexor is because venlafaxine is one of the basic SNRIs, relevant to the parent comment.


it's possible your doctor is treating you for depression as well as ADHD


Or maybe venlafaxine is to counteract any anxiety that the upper may cause. Well that's the theory my doctor had anyway. (I took venlafaxine with ADHD meds because of this)


Wow. First i've heard of this but the description sound so relatable. Very interesting, and makes total sense to differentiate from ADHD


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